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  Day 1 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Opening Statements and Motions in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  news bulletin: fessler versus watchtower – opening statements and motions in jehovah’s witness child abuse trial – day 1. .

  posted on february 12, 2017. city hall, philadelphia, pennsylvania.

  on a cold philadelphia morning the 7th of february, 2017, stephanie fessler walked into the court of common pleas of pennsylvania, first judicial district, civil trial division.

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  Richard Oliver

  That is the definition that came from a simple Google search
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  Day 1 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Opening Statements and Motions in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  news bulletin: fessler versus watchtower – opening statements and motions in jehovah’s witness child abuse trial – day 1. .

  posted on february 12, 2017. city hall, philadelphia, pennsylvania.

  on a cold philadelphia morning the 7th of february, 2017, stephanie fessler walked into the court of common pleas of pennsylvania, first judicial district, civil trial division.

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  Richard Oliver

  You have to look at the definition for laity.

  lay people, as distinct from the clergy.

  • ordinary people, as distinct from professionals or experts.

    
    

    
    

    So JWs view all members as ordained ministers with no professional class. It can be described as the difference of people in the pews and those at the pulpit.
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  JW Response to Oroville Dam Issue 180,000+ evacuated.

  by Luther bertrand in

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  188,000 people have been evacuated in nor.

  according the los angeles times the following places are open to evacuee's.

  click here!.

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  Richard Oliver

  So there is very little room to house people during a disaster. There are more halls that aren't fixing their seats to the ground so that is a different story but that is not common in the US. Most halls in the US bolt their chairs to the ground.
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  JW Response to Oroville Dam Issue 180,000+ evacuated.

  by Luther bertrand in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  188,000 people have been evacuated in nor.

  according the los angeles times the following places are open to evacuee's.

  click here!.

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  Richard Oliver

  You also have to remember most kingdom halls don't have much room. They don't normally have a recreational area or any other room than the auditorium.
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  Day 1 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Opening Statements and Motions in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  news bulletin: fessler versus watchtower – opening statements and motions in jehovah’s witness child abuse trial – day 1. .

  posted on february 12, 2017. city hall, philadelphia, pennsylvania.

  on a cold philadelphia morning the 7th of february, 2017, stephanie fessler walked into the court of common pleas of pennsylvania, first judicial district, civil trial division.

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  Richard Oliver

  G 8/10 p 9

  10. The clergy-laity distinction

  “All you are brothers,” said Jesus to his followers. (Matthew 23:8) The early Christians, including the Bible writers, had no clergy class. This Biblical pattern is the one that Jehovah’s Witnesses follow.

  G 8/09 p 23

  In order to adhere closely to the pattern set down in the Bible, Jehovah’s Witnesses have, not a clergy class, but unpaid spiritual shepherds and teachers who willingly minister to God’s flock. Why not see for yourself by visiting a Kingdom Hall in your locality?

  
  

  Jehovah's Witnesses view all baptized Witnesses to be ordained ministers. Again law is what defines a minister/priest and a penitent in the priest-penitent relationship.
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  Day 1 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Opening Statements and Motions in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  news bulletin: fessler versus watchtower – opening statements and motions in jehovah’s witness child abuse trial – day 1. .

  posted on february 12, 2017. city hall, philadelphia, pennsylvania.

  on a cold philadelphia morning the 7th of february, 2017, stephanie fessler walked into the court of common pleas of pennsylvania, first judicial district, civil trial division.

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  Richard Oliver

  My point is it was never that Watchtower considers Elders as a clergy class but the laws fo the land that defines what is considered a minister and what is considered confidential information.
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  Day 1 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Opening Statements and Motions in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  news bulletin: fessler versus watchtower – opening statements and motions in jehovah’s witness child abuse trial – day 1. .

  posted on february 12, 2017. city hall, philadelphia, pennsylvania.

  on a cold philadelphia morning the 7th of february, 2017, stephanie fessler walked into the court of common pleas of pennsylvania, first judicial district, civil trial division.

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  Richard Oliver

  Watchtower has always considered Elders as layman. It is the law that considers them as ministers when it comes to confidentiality and Priest-Penitent Privilege. Just like how Watchtower views themselves as a congregational religion but the law considers them as a hierarchical religion.
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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  Richard Oliver

  This was in no way a quick case. The complaint was filed in 2013. Watchtower probably did offer a monetary settlement right away to get it off their books and not have to deal with legal costs. There was an appeal in that took up a lot of time for a change in venue. Even though Watchtower has in-house attorney's there is still a cost associated with it. It also takes away from resources that they want to use those attorneys for other matters. It is a cost-benefit analysis, that make defendants offer a monetary settlement to get it off their books.
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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  Richard Oliver

  There was no claim that any sexual abuse occurred at any point during actual Watchtower or Congregation activities. The abuse took place at the abusers home and at the home of the girl or in a car. No activities took place on a bible study or out in service or at a kingdom hall. There is nothing in the complaint that anyone encouraged the victim to spend alone time with the abuser. And in the complaint there are statements such as

  "failing to limit one-on-one interactions between adults and minors."

  How can a religion or anyone other than parents limit the interactions that their children have. And how can anyone force another adult to limit their interactions with others. I know I know, people here will say, Watchtower does it all the time when they tell people not to communicate with DF'd people. But in reality if people want to communicate with someone else there is very little that Watchtower can do about it, both legally and practically. If someone wants to associate with someone else no organization can stop them. There are laws that can stop people from associating or coming within a certain distance of a person or class of person but a religion doesn't have that ability.

  "failing to ban or restrict overnight activities between congregants and minors"

  Here again, I am not blaming the parents, but how can Watchtower or anyone know what another person is doing at night in their private home. It is up to parents to know where their children are especially at night. No one can monitor people 24 hours a day and know who they are with and what they are doing at all the times.
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  Day 1 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Opening Statements and Motions in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  news bulletin: fessler versus watchtower – opening statements and motions in jehovah’s witness child abuse trial – day 1. .

  posted on february 12, 2017. city hall, philadelphia, pennsylvania.

  on a cold philadelphia morning the 7th of february, 2017, stephanie fessler walked into the court of common pleas of pennsylvania, first judicial district, civil trial division.

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  Richard Oliver

  Yeah steve because i am the only one that characterise things. Everyone here does it.